UFO Whistleblower David Grusch Talks UAPs with Canadian MP Larry Maguire
On May 31, 2022, Canadian Member of Parliament Larry Maguire held a Zoom meeting with David Grusch, a senior intelligence officer with the U.S. National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), responsible for overseeing unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) matters. The meeting, documented in notes later obtained through an access-to-information request, touched on significant UAP-related topics, including NORAD’s data collection efforts, potential Canadian UAP data, and international collaboration.
Grusch mentioned that U.S. Congress was working on aggressive UAP-related legislation and acknowledged decades of U.S. governmental secrecy on the subject. When asked about disclosing UAP information to the public, he suggested declassifying pilot videos as a strategy to acclimate people to the issue. He also referred to historical Canadian UAP efforts, such as the RCMP’s data collection and Wilbert Smith’s Project Magnet in the 1950s, Shirleys Bay, but noted uncertainty about the extent of current Canadian activities.
The meeting also addressed NORAD’s limited interactions with Canadian entities regarding UAP investigations and the lack of formal data exchanges. Grusch described how UAP-related briefings occurred between U.S. and Canadian military officials, but he expressed the need for more collaboration. When asked about the role of agencies like CSIS or CSE, Grusch noted anecdotal evidence of historical U.S.-Canadian UAP research but lacked specifics.
Grusch shared insights on UAP characteristics, describing an incident where a U.S. naval commander witnessed a 300-foot triangular craft and elaborating on UAP’s technological attributes, including anti-gravity propulsion and trans-medium travel. However, his responses to many questions, especially those involving classified UAP data or investigative techniques, were heavily redacted in the released notes.
The meeting’s confidentiality was breached when Maguire shared his notes with a senior official in the Office of the Chief Science Advisor, which ultimately led to their partial release in 2024 after a protracted appeals process. This revelation highlighted the meeting’s significance, predating Grusch’s whistleblower complaint by days and his public testimony by over a year. Despite the intriguing content of the notes, the redactions leave critical questions unanswered, particularly regarding UAP investigations and potential international collaboration.
The PDF reveals additional details that extend the narrative about the May 31, 2022, meeting between Larry Maguire and David Grusch. Specifically, Grusch noted that NORAD was involved in gathering UAP-related data but highlighted that the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) had not established an official working group or requested formal data exchanges with the United States. He explained that NORAD planned to forward UAP data to a radar squadron and then to the NGA for analysis in future encounters. Grusch also mentioned his openness to non-human origins for UAP and referenced the Tic Tac incident involving the USS Nimitz, which he described as definitively a “non-human intelligently controlled craft.”
Regarding UAP sightings near nuclear facilities, Grusch acknowledged this phenomenon has persisted since the 1950s and speculated that such incidents might be underreported in Canada. He suggested joint U.S.-Canadian efforts to investigate UAP activity near nuclear sites. He further emphasized the necessity of physical evidence, such as material with documented chain-of-custody, to determine UAP origins, mentioning the potential for isotopic analysis to identify whether such materials could have been manufactured on Earth.
Grusch also alluded to efforts by individuals within the U.S. working on UAP-related research to seek immunity from legal repercussions in order to testify publicly about classified activities. He proposed that Canada establish a dedicated UAP group akin to U.S. initiatives, comprising historians, archivists, and other specialists, to systematically investigate Canadian UAP data, particularly from agencies like Transport Canada and the RCMP, which collected such data until the 1990s.
Additionally, Grusch offered to enlist an NGA historian to help uncover any information related to Canada in U.S. archives, further highlighting the potential value of historical collaboration. He mentioned that electronically steered radar arrays could provide improved detection of UAP, suggesting the need for advanced technology to monitor and track these phenomena more effectively. Lastly, he discussed how international coordination and tasking U.S. assets to assist Canadian efforts could enhance data collection, but this would require Canadian authorization.
Larry Maguire, a Canadian Member of Parliament, has been a prominent advocate for transparency regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs). He has actively engaged in discussions and initiatives aimed at increasing governmental openness on this subject. Maguire’s efforts include urging the Canadian government to take UAP reports seriously and to collaborate with international partners in investigating these phenomena. His involvement underscores a commitment to ensuring that Canada approaches UAP phenomena with transparency and coordination, aligning with international efforts to understand these occurrences.
Previously Larry Maguire, a Canadian Member of Parliament, has been a prominent advocate for transparency regarding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs). He has actively engaged in discussions and initiatives aimed at increasing governmental openness on this subject. Maguire’s efforts include urging the Canadian government to take UAP reports seriously and to collaborate with international partners in investigating these phenomena. His involvement underscores a commitment to ensuring that Canada approaches UAP phenomena with transparency and coordination, aligning with international efforts to understand these occurrences.
Maguire, a Canadian MP, sponsored e-petition e-5178 to urge the government to investigate UAPs further. He also pressed Defence Minister Anita Anand to address DRDC’s UAP research and the Sky Canada Project.
Canada participates in the Five Eyes Foreign Material Program (FMP), an initiative within the Five Eyes intelligence alliance, which includes the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, and New Zealand. Through this program, Canada collaborates with its allies in the recovery and analysis of materials from Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP). The Canadian Forces Intelligence Command (CFINTCOM) sponsors Canada’s involvement in the FMP, aligning with various intelligence-sharing agreements and treaties. This collaboration has been ongoing since the 1950s, with Defence Research and Development Canada (DRDC) playing a significant role in analyzing recovered UAP materials.
In the early 1950s, Fred Threlfall, a communications instructor with the Royal Canadian Air Force in Toronto, reported witnessing a glass ashtray dematerialize from one room and rematerialize in another during an experiment. He also claimed to have observed unidentified objects in World War II flight footage and hinted at undisclosed anti-gravity research by major aerospace corporations. John Hutchison, a Canadian inventor, is renowned for discovering the “Hutchison Effect” in the late 1970s—a series of unexplained phenomena including levitation and the fusion of different materials. Hutchison has explored alternative energy sources, such as crystal power cells, and has been linked to UFO phenomena through his work.
In 1974, Vancouver, British Columbia, witnessed the “Vancouver Lights” incident, where numerous residents reported observing large, bright lights moving erratically in the night sky. Witnesses described formations like triangles or V-shapes, and some noted a single cigar-shaped object. The Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Department of National Defense investigated, suggesting natural phenomena as potential causes, though many remained unconvinced. Notably, Dorothy Izatt, a local resident, captured footage of the lights and claimed communication with their controllers.
In 1989, the Guardian Case emerged near Carp, Ontario, when an anonymous individual, known as “Guardian,” sent packages containing a VHS tape and documents to UFO researchers. The video allegedly depicted a UFO landing in a field, accompanied by military helicopters. Investigators, including former NASA mission specialist Bob Oechler, examined the site and materials.
Canada’s involvement in UAP research, from historical programs like Project Magnet to modern collaborations through the Five Eyes alliance, reflects a deep-rooted interest in these phenomena. Former Defence Minister Paul Hellyer’s advocacy for disclosure underscores the importance of UAP investigations at the highest levels of government. Recent efforts, including Larry Maguire’s push for transparency, demonstrate Canada’s ongoing commitment to aligning with international initiatives and addressing public curiosity about UAPs.
