Former National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency Analyst Shares Experience on Pentagon’s UAP Task Force
In a recent episode of The Good Trouble Show, hosted by Matt Ford, an intelligence analyst named Sarah Gamm, a former National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA) analyst and member of the Pentagon’s UAP Task Force, publicly shared her experiences working on the UAP topic. The UAP Task Force, led by Jay Stratton, was tasked with investigating Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs) and included figures like David Grusch and Travis Taylor. Sarah’s insights offered a rare glimpse into the task force’s efforts and the challenges surrounding UAP investigations. During the show, Ford emphasized the crucial importance of the UAP Disclosure Act of 2024, which is set for a Senate vote as part of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). If passed, this legislation could bring significant transparency to the UAP subject, exposing hidden information and holding government agencies accountable for decades of secrecy. Ford issued a stern warning to institutions like the Pentagon, CIA, and Department of Energy, urging them to cooperate with Congress and the public before the truth inevitably comes out.
Ford also highlighted the support from key congressional figures, including Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Chuck Schumer, who are advocating for the UAP Disclosure Act. However, he pointed out that the bill faces procedural obstacles that could prevent it from coming to a vote, putting its progress at risk. To counter this, Ford called on the public to take immediate action by contacting their senators and representatives, emphasizing that public pressure is essential in pushing the bill forward and ensuring its success.
In the episode, Ford also leveled criticism at private aerospace companies like Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, accusing them of colluding with the Pentagon and CIA to keep UAP-related information secret from Congress and the public. He urged Congress to assert its constitutionally mandated oversight role and hold these companies accountable. Expressing frustration over the long-standing secrecy surrounding the UAP issue, Ford made it clear that the time for full disclosure has arrived. The episode served as a passionate call to action, urging both the public and Congress to demand transparency and accountability in what is considered a critical moment for the UAP transparency movement.
In this segment of The Good Trouble Show, the discussion takes a sharp turn towards the deeply ingrained secrecy surrounding the UAP issue and the blatant disregard for transparency within key governmental agencies and private aerospace companies. Ford highlights that these agencies, through legal loopholes, have been concealing information related to UAPs under classified directives such as the Presidential Emergency Action Directives (PEAD) and the Atomic Energy Act of 1946, making it virtually impossible for Congress to access these materials without violating national security laws.
Matt Ford doesn’t hold back in condemning the complicity of high-level executives in aerospace and defense industries. He warns that those who have misrepresented their company’s financials or withheld crucial information from shareholders could face unprecedented criminal liability. This, he argues, extends beyond corporate misconduct to a national issue, as the classified information being hidden is not only illegal but threatens the very structure of American governance. Ford also touches on how whistleblowers like Lou Elizondo and David Grusch have faced retaliation for speaking out, pointing to the Pentagon’s ongoing efforts to suppress the truth. He warns that these efforts to obscure the facts about UAPs are futile, and with upcoming hearings in Congress, the truth will inevitably surface.
In a direct message to Congress, Ford outlines how UAP materials have been falsely classified as “special nuclear material” under restricted and previously restricted data, effectively hiding them under Department of Energy regulations. This deliberate misclassification, he asserts, was designed to keep the president and Congress from having unilateral declassification power over these matters. Ford calls for Congress to exercise its constitutional oversight and to hold these agencies accountable for years of obfuscation. He emphasizes that this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for members of Congress to leave a legacy by passing the UAP Disclosure Act, which could bring transparency to a topic long shrouded in mystery.
In the continuation of The Good Trouble Show, the guest, Sarah, who is an intelligence professional with Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) and a former member of the UAP Task Force, discussed her background and her first time speaking publicly about her experience. Sarah, who worked as a nuclear campaign analyst and supported the Air Force and other governmental divisions, explained how her unique skill set, including her background in physics and countering weapons of mass destruction (WMD), shaped her career. She highlighted that her time with the UAP Task Force allowed her to look into investigations of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, working alongside other prominent figures in the field.
The conversation took an interesting turn when Matt Ford brought up a recent attempt by New York Post journalist to dox Sarah, referencing her work in paranormal and psychic mediumship. Despite the malicious intent, Sarah responded with grace, stating that she is proud of her psychic work, and while it was an unexpected topic for the show, she was flattered that much of what was written about her was accurate.
Sarah acknowledged that her psychic abilities have been an accepted part of her life and career, sharing that even her program manager and colleagues were aware of her gifts and never found them to be an issue. She expressed her pride in all aspects of her identity, stating that it took time to fully embrace who she is. Matt Ford commended Sarah for her openness and pointed out that paranormal abilities are not uncommon in intelligence work, with even law enforcement using psychics to assist in solving cases.
The conversation then shifted to Sarah’s educational background, which she revealed includes a degree in physics (though she focused on astrophysics), and a master’s degree in countering weapons of mass destruction through a fellowship at the National Defense University, sponsored by the Department of Defense. Sarah explained that the program, which unfortunately no longer exists, provided her with an in-depth understanding of WMDs, including the history of projects like the Manhattan Project, and helped her gain expertise in the diplomacy and policy aspects of managing these powerful technologies. Despite her initial uncertainty about the field, Sarah found the experience enriching, especially as it allowed her to combine her knowledge of physics with broader issues of national and global security.
After graduating, Sarah’s first job was with Lockheed Martin as a systems engineer at a National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) ground station. She explained that the NRO builds and operates satellites, while ground stations like the one she worked at manage the satellites’ operations. Her early experiences led her to work with the Joint Collaboration Center, a 24/7 operation that provided support to warfighters, and her role as a Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) image scientist. She described SAR as a complex technology similar to sonar, allowing the analysis of radar data to interpret imagery, which became her passion.
Her work with SAR eventually led Sarah to the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), where she worked as both an image scientist and an analyst covering various operations, including efforts related to Mosul Dam in Iraq and the fight against ISIS. She also mentioned her time as a research scientist at NGA, working on advanced algorithms and classified projects, which contributed to her eventual recruitment to the UAP Task Force.
Sarah recounted how her curiosity about UAPs was piqued during her work in CWMD. After encountering a report about unusual activity at a nuclear missile site, she began exploring the topic through a collaboration tool called OurSpace. Although the report wasn’t initially connected to the UAP Task Force, it sparked her interest and eventually led to her involvement with the task force, where her persistence and passion helped her secure a role. Throughout her career, Sarah has held high-level security clearances, including a Top Secret SCI and a Q clearance, which enabled her to work closely with multiple agencies, including the Department of Energy and ODNI.
OurSpace, which allowed intelligence professionals to share and analyze data. She explained how this platform, while classified at different levels depending on user clearance, grew in popularity over time, attracting more participants as media coverage of UAPs increased. Initially, fewer than 20 people were involved, but eventually, the number grew to over 2,000. In this secure environment, participants could upload and review classified and open-source videos of UAPs, with some footage being of very high quality. Sarah reiterated that while much of the data was blurry or inconclusive, there were times when she and her colleagues encountered evidence that clearly pointed to non-terrestrial origins, based on the movement and behavior of the objects.
Sarah also touched on the process of debunking some of the UAP sightings, explaining that while her team was often able to identify known objects like balloons, there were still instances where no earthly explanation could be found. Her scientific approach focused on eliminating known causes before concluding that something was truly unidentified. One of the more intriguing moments of the conversation came when Sarah mentioned seeing a boomerang-shaped object, although she was unable to provide further details due to the classified nature of the information.
The conversation shifted to Sarah’s formal involvement in the UAP Task Force. Her role primarily involved supporting the task force from an NGA perspective, where she was involved in experiments to replicate and explain UAP phenomena, as well as conducting analysis on available data.
Sarah also recounted the disappointing impact of the COVID-19 pandemic, which disrupted many of the experiments and initiatives she was involved in. After the shutdown, she found it increasingly difficult to reconnect with her colleagues and resume the work of the task force. She expressed sadness over the lack of communication and the eventual dissolution of the task force, which left her feeling that the momentum they had built was lost. When the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) was established to replace the UAP Task Force, Sarah initially hoped that the work would continue, but she encountered significant roadblocks in trying to connect with those involved in the new initiative.
This pattern of rejection aligns with previous statements by officials like former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Christopher Mellon, who also pointed out that AARO seemed disinterested in collaborating or accepting new data. Sarah’s experiences further reinforce the idea that AARO’s mission may have been to downplay the significance of UAPs rather than fully investigate them. Despite this, Sarah remained optimistic that more individuals would eventually step forward to disclose what they knew, even if their revelations weren’t groundbreaking but merely pieces of a much larger puzzle.
Sarah revealed she would be featured in James Fox’s upcoming documentary, expressing excitement and a bit of nervousness about stepping into the public eye after working for so long behind a classified wall. Despite the challenges and scrutiny she faced, she felt empowered by the support of the community, especially from those involved in the documentary and the broader UAP research field.
The interview got deeper into Sarah’s involvement with UAP data, as she discussed both space-based imagery and her experiences with analyzing UAPs using various intelligence systems. When asked about space-based ISR (intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) platforms, Sarah confirmed that much of the data she analyzed came from these systems. However, she clarified that she didn’t have access to radar data from ships, but she knew others in the military, including a friend in the Navy, who had witnessed strange phenomena, including orange and green orbs, which were visible both visually and on radar but could not be explained.
One of the more striking moments came when Sarah was asked if she had seen any high-resolution videos that she would classify as showing non-human intelligence (NHI). She confirmed that she had viewed such videos and noted that the maneuverability and G-forces involved in some of the phenomena could not be explained by known human technologies, further reinforcing her belief that some of the UAPs she encountered were not of human origin.
She also touched on her experiences with the Pentagon and the intelligence community, emphasizing that while she was not a whistleblower, she was confident in sharing what she could without crossing any legal boundaries. Throughout, she expressed hope that others from the UAP Task Force would come forward, validating the work they had done and contributing to the growing transparency around the UAP phenomenon.
Sarah supported the concept of UAPs using oceans as bases, noting the vast, unexplored waters and how water could theoretically act as an energy source. She was less familiar with the Australian government’s collaboration on UAPs but pointed to the United Kingdom and Canada’s long-standing documentation efforts on the phenomenon.
When asked about the potential for malevolent non-human intelligences (NHI), Sarah affirmed that not everything encountered in this domain was friendly. She hinted that there were entities without an understanding of human emotions, operating more like drones or machines, which further complicated the assessment of their intentions.
Sarah reiterated her belief that many within the government could come forward with critical information on UAPs without compromising national security. She urged those in positions of power and responsibility to make the right decision and reveal what they know, emphasizing that the truth would emerge, and delaying it could only cause more harm in the long run.
